Soon I hope to see Wilder's movie (what!? - read the papers, buddy) and be amazed about the coming violent uproars and 'civilizational clashes' between 'Muslims' and well, 'those proud nationalists' that think the world actually cares about their xenophobic opinions.
I am not even surprised with the decade long fear over the Islamic 'Other', I would rather see it as a continuation of the Jewish struggle for a place in Western societies. I am not saying that it is better in China, where some don't even know about the existence of black people, let alone of the a Holy book which has the 'Absolute Truth' *imaging the reaction of one of the 500 million farmers in China*. Neither am I cynically arguing that that the 'West is the best' (Jim Morrison). I am just saying that it is rather pathetic to think that people exclude others because of a the different way they received their indoctrination. Yes, religion. Although, of course it is not all religion, it never is just 'all religion'. However, it is always a good excuse....
One of the great things about the Bible is that it is post-modern. Why? Well, it shares the same need for contradictions. Some examples.
GE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.
GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.
MT 7:1-2 Do not judge.
MT 7:15-20 Instructions for judging a false prophet.
MT 10:10 Do not take sandals (shoes) or staves.
MK 6:8-9 Take sandals (shoes) and staves.
MT 12:39, MK 8:12, LK 11:29 Jesus says that he will give no "sign."
JN 3:2, 20:30, AC 2:22 Jesus proceeds to give many such "signs."
IS 44:24 God created heaven and earth alone.
JN 1:1-3 Jesus took part in creation.
Etc.
The nicest thing about the Bible (and other Holy books) however is its obsession with incest, violence and other 'bizarrities'.
Eating human feces
"And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight. And the LORD said, Even thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread among the Gentiles, whither I will drive them."
Orgies
NU 31:31-40 "32,000 virgins are taken by the Israelites as booty of which thirty-two are set aside as a tribute for the Lord." (the muslims have to do it with 'only' 99)
Incest
SA 13:1-14 King David's son, Amnon, rapes his half-sister, Tamar.
Muerder and humiliation
EZ 23:10 "They stripped her naked, took away her sons and daughters and killed her with the sword."
Conclusion
Why even bother fighting the Koran when we got the Bible to deal with first? Instead let us all be capitalists, unit and destruct this world the 'money way'.
*thanks to http://www.erasefaith.com/
I am not even surprised with the decade long fear over the Islamic 'Other', I would rather see it as a continuation of the Jewish struggle for a place in Western societies. I am not saying that it is better in China, where some don't even know about the existence of black people, let alone of the a Holy book which has the 'Absolute Truth' *imaging the reaction of one of the 500 million farmers in China*. Neither am I cynically arguing that that the 'West is the best' (Jim Morrison). I am just saying that it is rather pathetic to think that people exclude others because of a the different way they received their indoctrination. Yes, religion. Although, of course it is not all religion, it never is just 'all religion'. However, it is always a good excuse....
One of the great things about the Bible is that it is post-modern. Why? Well, it shares the same need for contradictions. Some examples.
GE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.
GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.
MT 7:1-2 Do not judge.
MT 7:15-20 Instructions for judging a false prophet.
MT 10:10 Do not take sandals (shoes) or staves.
MK 6:8-9 Take sandals (shoes) and staves.
MT 12:39, MK 8:12, LK 11:29 Jesus says that he will give no "sign."
JN 3:2, 20:30, AC 2:22 Jesus proceeds to give many such "signs."
IS 44:24 God created heaven and earth alone.
JN 1:1-3 Jesus took part in creation.
Etc.
The nicest thing about the Bible (and other Holy books) however is its obsession with incest, violence and other 'bizarrities'.
Eating human feces
"And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight. And the LORD said, Even thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread among the Gentiles, whither I will drive them."
Orgies
NU 31:31-40 "32,000 virgins are taken by the Israelites as booty of which thirty-two are set aside as a tribute for the Lord." (the muslims have to do it with 'only' 99)
Incest
SA 13:1-14 King David's son, Amnon, rapes his half-sister, Tamar.
Muerder and humiliation
EZ 23:10 "They stripped her naked, took away her sons and daughters and killed her with the sword."
Conclusion
Why even bother fighting the Koran when we got the Bible to deal with first? Instead let us all be capitalists, unit and destruct this world the 'money way'.
*thanks to http://www.erasefaith.com/
3 Comments:
Down with scripture.
Also, thank you for the lovely link!
First of all religion can include the belief that there's no God, so saying that religion is an excuse is right, unless we're talking about the true religion.
The Bible isn't post-modern because it hardly meets the creditability to be a fictional book. It hardly even describes each character and is hardly exciting to read. For example: Numbers.
The Bible doesn't contradict it self, for example, the Gospels, which in parallel they all tell the same story. Here's why the examples that are presented don't contradict each other:
God created light which "separated" darkness. This "light" wasn't the sun but some other light. The sun doesn't separate darkness but it fades it out. Sometimes the sun is blacked out during an eclipse. This light is also described in John 1:5, where the light shines through the darkness, and the darkness never prevails over it. Therefore, this light isn't the sun because the sun can stop shining during an eclipse.
In chapter one, God created the earth, and notice that it says it was wasted and void? Well, we find, as interpretators, that God created all things first. Then, in chapter two, God "formed" all things so they wouldn't be wasted and void.
In Mt 7 where Jesus says "Do not judge." Jesus didn't say that judging was wrong but it was wrong to judge while you're sinning. Notice what it says in verses 4 and 5, "And why behold thou the mote that is in your brother's eye, but consider not the beam that is in your own eye? Or how will you say to your brother, Let me cast out the mote out of your eye; and look, the beam is in my own eye?" Notice Jesus clearly means that we shouldn't judge our associates when we have sin within (the beam), and try and cast out the mote out of them while being sinful.
In Matthew 10:10, Jesus is just ordering His disciples not to take anything from anyone for themselves. Mark 6:8-9, Jesus tells His disciples not to take any of their personal items on their journey.
Mt 12:39, Mk 8:12, and Lk 11:29 describe the same occurrence. It clearly says what happened in Mk 8:11, "And the Pharisees came forth, and began to question with him, seeking of him a sign from heaven, testing him." Jesus didn't give them a sign because they were testing Him, to see if He was the Christ (Messiah). Matthew 4:7 states, “Jesus said unto him, Again it is written, Thou shalt not make trial of the Lord thy God.” Therefore, Jesus was acknowledging Himself as God.
In John 20:30, it clearly says that Jesus did miracles signs in front of His disciples. Therefore, Jesus didn't do it for the Pharisees because they were testing Him all the time.
It says in Isaiah 9:6, "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, and Prince of Peace." This prophecy clearly states that the Messiah is God. Their child was born and a Son was given. Otherwise, who is this “son” it's stating?
Jesus Christ is God; otherwise, many of the prophecies and the stories of Him are contradictory.
Now many sins and violent actions in the Old Testament are stated, such as, on this blog. God was preparing Israel for His arrival when He became flesh, so God commanded them to do all those lawful things to prepare them for a righteous attitude, and make them sinful. The law increased sin as it says in Romans 5:20-21. The Moses’ law was a school master to teach what sin was.
God made them sinful in order to increase His glory. Then, when the time came for the Messiah, which was set by the Lord Himself, the people became increasingly religious, but mixed with false doctrines and teachings. Therefore, this made them feel jealous about His coming upon earth. Yes, God planned for His flesh, Himself as flesh, which is Jesus Christ, to die upon a cross.
We can’t use the Bible to disprove the Bible. We can’t disprove God with the Bible.
If God is nonexistent then what’s the reason for suffering? Since the Bible tells us there are reasons for suffering, such as, James 1:2-4.
postmodern is not fiction, post-modernists would argue that it is the ultimate reality. Simply because it is subjectively personalized.
Some elements or your points of defense for the biblical consistencies:
light - the argument of having multiple lights (more than one in any case) is not elaborated and left up open for interpretation in the Bible. This is a postmodern experience under the definition as mentioned above (i.e. subjectivity) . However, this is contradictory as God is a totality and the very anthesis of a subjectively live experience of, in this case, the experience of 'light'.
Creation - this is again a retroductive reaction. How can you say that he created waste/ void when our experience of these terms is socially constructed. What about trees in the example. First he created supposed trees of waste (whatever those might look like) to replace them with 'unwastefull' trees? How does he ascertain that certain trees/ or other subject or objects can be considered as waste and why did he make them in the very first place?
Do not judge - The very definition on 'sinning' is constructed on judging. If there was not a judging of what was supposedly wrong and good, there would be no sinning in the first place.
Sandals - again this is a retroductive interpretation. In such a manner, we could reinterpret all 'Holy' (and other ethic) books and make them as ultimate truths. Moreover, I think the whole issue about 'property' can be widely contested on the principal that they do not own anything for themselves since they are not accepted to have anything for themselves (except their bodies and minds) in the first place.
Signs - again you are speculating on the meaning of 'signs' and their significance for the apparantlty flawed contradiction. (Signs, which is by the way one of the core pillar of post-modernism theory and culture). Why the need to call them signs and not, like you did, miracles are those not in teleological terms always signs (de facto)? Why talk of signs when clearly there are not supposed to prove the existence of God in front of the Pharaoh. Signs are named so because they signal something, if they are performed they create affirmation of their existence, when they are not they prove the opposite. Voluntarily or not they always rely on empirical evidence even in the Bible.
God/ Jesus: "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given...shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, and Prince of Peace" - This comes from a Judism: "For a child is born unto us, a son is given unto us; and the government is upon his shoulder; and his name is called Pele - joez - el- gibbor -Abi -ad -sar - shalom"
The Christian verse is a cheap reproduction of a much older book, which calls the son differently. Again, a major contradiction that only worsens when you go deeper into it
You finish asking :If God is nonexistent then what’s the reason for suffering?" Well to be honest I dont suffer and people that rely on a milder form of Christianity do not suffer either. Instead, they enjoy life as it is, colorful, melancholic, shining, easthetic, etc. Only fundamental religious life so strongly as yourself seem to restrain themselves from enjoying life as it is meant to be, out of love.
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